Return of the (Vi)King S2E19

This week we’ll be discussing the return of Jonas Vingegaard to pro racing with coverage of the Men’s Paris-Nice stage race. We’ll also take a look at a very successful week for a few of the smaller-budget Men’s pro teams at both Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico. And as always, we’ll finish with a ride in the Broom Wagon.

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SPEAKER_00 0:13

Hello and welcome to Beyond the Slipstream. I'm Justin and this is my brother Matt, and today on the show, I see Italy, I see France, I see Jonas Vingegaard's extra pair of pants. Yes, it was a wild week of wardrobe malfunctions and wacky weather patterns and wins, wins, wins for some teams that don't always figure into the conversation. The racing action at the two biggest stage races of the year so far was, let's say, pretty good. But the competition in our fantasy league was outstanding. Yes, this week we got the 2026 debut of the aforementioned Jonas Vingigo at Perinice. A debut that was hotly anticipated since he did not start the UAE tour a few weeks ago. Isaac Del Toro took top honors at the other stage race Terreno Adriatico. But for us, the big story this week is EF Education Easy Post, our beloved American squad who was until now winless in 2026. They had two stage wins by week's end, and a few other smaller teams had some notable successes as well. We'll get into all that on the show today. We'll recap a wild week in our 2026 cycling fantasy league. And as always, we'll finish out with more nasty weather adventures in the broomwagon. Alay. And we are going to take a less rigid uh recap type system and more um we're gonna focus on the storylines that make these races really interesting for us as fans to hopefully make them a little bit more accessible to a broader audience as opposed to just a a breakdown of you know kilometer kilometer of of all of these races that we watch. Um I don't anything you want to say on it?

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Yeah, we're just trying to tighten it up a little bit. Um it's a a bit of an ask to just listen to us drone on and on about, you know, every single stage of every single race, et cetera, et cetera. It doesn't really serve the audience, I think, that we are looking for. Um so we're trying to divert the focus more towards our personality and kind of like what our individual personal takes on the racing are. Um it's gonna make the show a little bit shorter, hopefully, um and uh just a little bit more concise and a little bit more streamlined. Um we also knew at the outset that there's, you know, it's a learning process. This is the first podcast we ever did. Um we now have two. Uh and we've learned a ton in that year and a half, almost a year and a half, that we've been doing this. Um and we kind of have a much clearer idea of what we want this show to be. And so that pivot begins with today's show, and uh I'm excited about it. Yeah, me too. Me too. I'm glad to have the old name back because beyond the slipstream, that's a good name. And that's that makes sense for what we're doing here with this show. That's that's the right name for it.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

So we were we were on the right, on the right track for that originally. So you are you are absolutely correct. Um well, let's start with the return of Jonas Vingigo. Uh returns to Perry Nice, it's his debut for the for this year. Um, we did not see him at UAE because of injury and illness. Um, so this is the first time that we've got to look at uh the number one contender to King Tade Pagacar. Um and let's just say he looked pretty darn good. He's definitely back, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

Many many questions have been answered by Jonas's performance uh in this in this race. I mean, he was he was dominant. Um he never looked stress, although uh in his uh post-race interview after stage one, uh that Lou Klemperti won, um he was not happy. Apparently he was like full gas from 60 kilometers out on that race, just just totally insane. Um, and he felt very unsafe, although the team did great work keeping him safe and and still trying to set up for an Axel Zinglay sprint on uh stage one. Um but overall, especially when it went uphill, like he never looked stressed. He was in control, cool as a cucumber. He was he was uh animated in his post-race interviews. Um yeah, he's the he was the Jonas, I think, that everybody's been hoping for to because because he is our absolute number one best possible hope. It's he's humanity's only hope to beat the alien, the alien uh army of one that is Tade Bogachar. So um for that reason, very very happy to see his performance this week.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Um I don't want to uh you know, as good as he was, I do want to throw a little a quick little shout out to Vic Campanard, who is his like number one lieutenant now. Like, what a pickup for that team. They saw the writing on the wall when they picked him up, like and they rescued him off of a a small team and pulled him in, and he has been nothing but just the absolute soldier for him for the last year and a half. So, you know, the camp and arts did a hell of a job this week keeping him safe and doing the work and work in the front, and I mean all of it. So I mean they did they did a very, very good job, and it bodes well for them going into grand tour season for sure.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

Did you see the uh photo that they put out, like maybe it was before stage five or six or something like that of Jonas care? I I I just want to add like a caption. I mean, it was so it was a it was a photo of of Jonas and um and Victor Campan Arts walking in the rain uh in their full kit, um, but the rain, it was like pouring rain, and Jonas was holding a white umbrella over the head of Victor Campan Arts who who was walking along in plastic bags over his shoes. Jonas did not have plastic bags on his shoes. Campan Arts had plastic bags. It was the silliest photo you've ever seen. I mean, oh, Campan Arts also has like the breathe right strip over his nose, so he's just like he's looking like his nerdy self, and he's got there Jonas is like his nursemaid next to him.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

So we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna get into we're gonna get into j to to the to the style choices this week here in a in a in a bit. But do you think that Jonas wasn't wearing the rain booties because like he had already had so much fashion controversy by that point in the in the week?

SPEAKER_01 7:36

It's it's very possible.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Uh he was just like he's like, oh yeah, somebody's gonna definitely take my picture. I think I'm gonna hold off on putting on the plastic, you know, uh uh water booties.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

The thing that amuses me more is thinking about what you were just saying. Campan Arts being his number one lieutenant. So Jonas is out there, okay, Victor, are you okay? You okay? Your shoes good? All right, you good? How are your legs feeling? Do you have your breathe right strip? Are you ready? Because I'm gonna really get a need you out there today. It's just that was just a funny picture. And then right after that, they showed a picture of some guy from Alpeson wearing a full-blown, like snorkeling mask on the podium.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

Well, that's the other that's so that's the other big storyline this week is is weather. There was snow, there was rain, there was everything that you can think of, you know, as far as you know, these these races are concerned. You had truncated stages, you had, you know, all of this going on. And um, you know, but here's you know, Jonas coming out and looking dominant. He's you know, he goes three on one with Red Bull one day, comes out on top, you know, despite insane weather issues and and crazy rain and cold, he's able to, you know, pull out two different stage wins.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

Well, let's talk about that day. I mean, that's that was the day when things, you know, in terms of the GC sort of started hotting up. That was stage four that you're referring to with insanely bad weather. Um the final third of the route is just like nasty with like just like harder and harder climbs. Um, and there's just there's there's mad echelons from the jump. Um, Kevin Vocalon is a big loser. I mean, he was he was one of the guys that's going to be challenging Jonas in this race, and he missed that group. So from from basically from the start of the GC competition of this race, Vocalon's already back, and and we'll we'll I'm sure talk about the the time gaps at the at the close of this race. It's part of the Jonas story are the time gaps. Um but uh yeah, the big story on stage four was the weather and the wardrobe. So uh the the Wanayuso.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

Oh, and Wanayuso. Well, Juanayuso has to do with the weather. So in you know, in the weather, that you have a big you have a big separation of of you essentially have have two Pelotons going at this at one point in this race, and a lot of the favorites had made it vocal on had not. Right. But why Juanayuso was up in the in the main in favorites, you know, grouping.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

Danny Martinez is up there, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

He had a lot of different riders up there, but somewhere off camera we have an accident. And obviously, Ayuso is the biggest competition in this race for Jonas. I mean, and it's the first time we're really getting a look at Juan Ayuso this year as well. So the you know, big question marks around. I mean, this guy just got a big contract to lead his own team, and he is the guy. Like, he is the main GC focus for Little Trek now. And this is the first time that we're really getting to see him in a stage race and see what he can do.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

And sadly, he won he won a stage race like two weeks ago, the the um uh one of the Spanish ones. So we haven't seen it in a stage race, but this is like but it's not a world tour stage race, yeah. Yeah, top tier.

SPEAKER_00 10:58

So uh you you know it very sadly off camera, there is some sort of pretty big wreck, takes out you know, multiple riders, but when we get the next look at Iuso, he you know, he was down, then he gets back on the bike, and then you know, he's looking really rough, his his his kits all shredded up on the left-hand side. And I don't think it's but another minute or two and and you know, you see him on the ground.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Yeah, harrowing images. It was really, really unpleasant because you know when there's a crash, I mean the the first thing when there's a crash is Bob Roll going, oh no. Um so we hear we hear Bob Roll's, oh no. And then um the first, I think the first image we get is you see somebody off on the side, and it looks like there's like a one of those gullies, like little three foot deep, like gully running along the side of it. You don't see Ayuso, but you hear them say, Well, you know, Ayuso's down, but but we we hadn't seen him yet. And then the next shot you get is Ayuso on the bike.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

There was two wrecks, and one of them happened right before the Ayuso wreck, and it was almost on camera. If you go back, you'll be able to see you see a rider literally flip off the Peloton, like into the grass. I remember that and you're like, whoa. And it's not, but within minutes of that happening, or maybe even within in a minute, that's when you hear, oh no, you know, Iusos, you know, off the bike or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Right. Well, the point, the point I was gonna make about that is is like we you we hear first that Iuso's had a crash, but then the first we see him, he's on his bike. So immediately you're thinking, oh, thank God he's on his bike. At least there's that, he might lose some time. But and then like you very quickly, before the shot is even over, you're like, oh no, wait a second. Like he's he's he's on his bike, but but this guy's in bad shape. And they cut away to to something else. And when they come back to Iuso, he is prostrate on the ground. I'm getting vibes of of Jonas in you know 20 in 2024. Like it was it was bad. Like I'm thinking, oh god, this could be real, real bad. Um, and as it turns out, I believe no broken bones. And we looked at his uh PCS, and he's he's on the slate for for early April. He's gonna be back in action in three weeks or so. So uh the prognosis is good, but for any any type of challenge to Jonas Vingergard, the prognosis is not good in this race at this point.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

And and I mean he immediately he immediately abandoned and and that was that was it. And by the end of the stage, you know, Jonas had a a healthy, a healthy lead on the on the G C contender.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

Well, let's talk about the end of the stage because when the dust settled when the dust settled after this crash, we find uh uh an interesting foursome with a with a VIP passenger aboard.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Yes, this is true. Uh so Red Bull has has the the Van Dyke twins, former teammates to Jonas Vingigo, um, doing all of the work for the Well they have Nico Dens first.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

They have Nico Dan Nico Dens and the Van Dyks, and then they're they're working for uh uh Martinez. Yeah. Danny Martinez. Um, and they're just bossing it, and Jonas is just like just hanging on. Just hanging on. This is and this is this is where where Jonas decides it's time to it's time to get myself geared up properly for the finish of this race. You wanna you wanna take us through that?

SPEAKER_00 14:41

So he puts so he is so he leaves out for the day super bundled up. Like he's got all kinds of different you know layers on.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

But from from top from bottom to top, it was it was bib bib shorts jersey, uh bib shorts jersey, uh base layer turned backwards and unzipped for easy removal, then long bit biblons that have been that that as we learn have been modified, and then the rain on top of that, and then the raincoat on top of that, right? So so he starts he starts taking it off. So first thing, raincoat comes off. No problem, we're good.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

Yes, the raincoat comes off and he has on his backwards, you know, essentially I'm assuming because he has to take the bibs down to get down. So sorry, the bibs are on top of that. You're right. Bibb come down and he and he has like the backwards jacket on to kind of simulate the old school newspaper feel. Because you have some descents, you know, some I'm assuming very cold descents on this day.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Because yeah, this this is where it started going lumpy at the end of this stage.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

Yes. Very, very cold descents, and so they were prepared for that. And then the thing that you see when once he gets rid of the raincoat and you start to see the the the juxtaposition of his yellow, you know, his yellow kit versus these the the long bibs, you realize that the bibs are kind of like shredded in a way, like they're they're cut in certain places, they just look kind of disheveled.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

And when well when you and also it should be said, like they didn't pick him up on camera until after he had gotten rid of the raincoat. Like you saw him, he they were riding along, and then the next you saw he the raincoat was gone, the the bib short um shoulders were had flapping around at his waist, and he had on this gray, it was not like color coordinated in any way, it's like a gray under thing, and it was flopping along, it was like flapping along. So, so the very first image, because I remember Bob Roll being like, What's going on? Like, what what's happening there? Like, you just see them.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

There's just got like these are so taken back.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Yeah, it was just bizarre. You never see these, you never see the bib shorts like flopping around somebody's waist or whatever. It was it was crazy from the jump. Yeah, so the shorts are shredded, he gets the he gets the base layer off, the shorts are shredded at like like you know, they're looking all thin and they don't look like regular bib shorts.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

Right. And and we don't find out until later w the why of it, but he's isolated at this point. He doesn't have any teammates around him, and it's it's Martinez and the two van dyks, and and Tim Van Dyke is just is just crushing on the front. Like he is just putting in a pace for the ages, and it's going too fast for Jonas to do anything about what's going on except for to flap those straps right back up and just and just keep on. And so now it looks like he's wearing suspenders and bib shorts on the outside, which looks utterly ridiculous in every way.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

The bib shorts are acting like a sail, like they are puffed up with air. It's just it's like it looks like he's pregnant or something. Like it's just it's it's so unbelievably bizarre looking. And Jonas is unfazed at all. He's just like, oh, this is this is not something I am worrying about right now. You know what he was what it is. Yeah, he was warm. He was warm. And you know, let's let's just sort of give everybody the backstory on on what the plan was.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Yeah, so so what you come to find out after the race was the reason that the bibs were shredded was so that his teammates could literally rip them off of him so he wouldn't have to like stop to take any clothes off. So they literally set it up so that Vic Campana Arts and you know Timo Keelick can can rip you know WWE style Hulk Hogan his his pants off.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

Right, there's a drag queen show on the side of the road and pairing these with Jonas Vingegaard and his two buddies like ripping his stuff off. Hello world, let's race to the top of the mountain.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

So but he's but but because Red Bull is pushing the advantage so hard, he the teammates aren't able to keep up with him through the climbs. So by the time he gets done with these wicked descents and he's ready to to to shred the clothes for the final climb, you know, for the final climbs, he doesn't have anybody around to help him. So he he literally has no choice but to maintain the the the pants, all right, with the with the bib. So to pull the bib shoulders back up and continue with the race and finish the race in this way.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

And and of course and and finish the race, he did.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

Yeah, and like and of course, Bob and Christian are like losing their minds over it. Like they're just beside themselves about you know how weird he looks. But in the end, it benefits him. He stays warm, he doesn't end up stressing himself, you know, in this really, really bad weather situation that they were in where it was extremely cold. And you know, he gets to the end and he's warm and fresh.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

And you know, at the end of the day, he's a hard ass Dane, and they threw a four-on-one on this guy. They had him four on one uh for the last you know multiple kilometers of this race. He took it completely in stride. Um, we had a little bit of a divergence in how we saw the teams, the Red Bull team's performance. I think they did ever absolutely everything they could have done, and uh especially the the the extra effort from Tim Van Dyke was pretty astounding. I mean, that was he was a big revelation, honestly, on that stage. But but like I just think that they delivered Danny Martinez to one kilometer from the finish, the steepest part of the thing. At that point, Danny's it's up, it's on Danny, and Jonas is just way stronger than him. They've got to do that.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

I think they could have pressed less. There's no chance that Jonas does any work in this situation. There's three of them by the point where it really matters, there's three of them, there's one of him, and they could have slowed the pace down slightly. It wouldn't have factored in for the rest of the the rider, you know, the rest of the race. And you maybe don't ride Martinez out of the saddle by the end of the race. Because I, you know, I think that that the Tim Van Dyke had a much better form than either of his his brother or his other teammate that day. And he rode them right off the wheel because he he rode his brother off the wheel, you know, with in the last, you know, 5K or 10k of the race. And you know, it was it was down to just him and Martinez, and of course Martinez is gonna be hang with be able to hang with him on the climbs. I just don't know how much Martinez had in the tank at the end because he Jonas put like a minute into him in the last kilometer. I mean, it was disgusting how far ahead he ended up getting at the end of that that stage. I mean, he completely ran away with it.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Well, it was a huge statement. The very next day he won the next stage. Um He was out in front by so far that b Bob or uh Rob Hatch was or no um Bob and Chris. Yeah, Bob and Chris were talking about how like on days like that um riders will take that as just like a training opportunity because normally the roads are not closed. Um and you get way far ahead, and yeah, you could ease off the gas because you're not gonna lose when you get that far ahead. But um you got a closed course and a real opportunity to just like boom, I'm gonna go hard. I can do, I can try everything that I need in a race in this particular situation. Um the man is on great form.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

He's gonna smash the G by the end of that stage, three minutes and 22 seconds on the GC.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

Yeah, he's gonna smash the Giro to Smitherenes. Um, it bodes so well for Grand Tour season. Um he did get beat by uh Lenny Martinez. Was it Lenny Martinez? Um but that was to be expected. That guy is super, super fast. Um the even though he's a he's a little mountain guy, he's a really, really fast sprinter. So uh and Jonas didn't need to win that sprint. Um very excited to see what this guy can do, even though he he is on your fantasy squad. So welcome back, Jonas.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

Um the other big uh or you know, maybe little uh storyline this week was uh small teams winning big. Uh obviously, you know, we're big fans of EF Education Easy Post. Um they are you know not the only American team anymore, but they're one of the American teams, and you know, we root for them pretty hard all the time, no matter what. Matt's uh Matt's best friend uh is on the team. I don't I don't know if you guys are aware of Nielsen Palace, Matt are super tight. Um but they came into the week winless and came out of the week with two wins. Um they and a white jersey. And a white jersey, and they opened up their card on stage one of Perry Nice winning a sprint against, you know, some pretty good competition. And uh Luke Lamperti was able to not only take the win, but also put on the yellow jersey uh for stage two, which is huge for this team.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Huge. Yeah, and and he did not he didn't have like top, top, top, top, top tier competition outside of Biniam Grimay, but he did really well uh one-on-one versus Binium to keep him keep him behind him. You know, Binium was trying to push through on a barrier, and uh Lamperti maintained a uh straight, super straight line uh that just did not have enough room for Benny to get by, and Benny had to stop pedaling. So it was a great win, really good work from uh Marion Vandenberg to lead him out. Um, you know, Van Vandenberg also sprints and also gets leadouts. So uh, you know, great, great teamwork. It bodes well. Um, and then yeah, the other win was uh from from the other race.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Whoa so in Toreno Adriatico later in the week, um long, you know, a guy that has not won in many years, probably four or five years at this point, uh Michael Valgren ends up taking another win uh for EF in a solo breakaway uh move. And it was, you know, a a really nice um really nice win for for him because obviously, you know, he he was injured and he was essentially you know put on the put on the heap. And what's really interesting about his situation was the team never gave up on him. And this is one of those reasons why you gotta really respect JV and and this team. You know, a lot of teams would look at the situation and you know give up on him. And you know, they never gave up on him. They let him, you know, they let him work his timeline. He got back in, he hasn't won in a couple years, but you know, he's been there working really, really hard, and he was obviously very, very good on the day and was able to take this uh take this win.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Yeah, and you mentioned it was uh you mentioned it was a solo win. It was only a solo win for the last 5.7 kilometers. Before that, he had uh a great a great companion for the breakaway, and that was one Lulu.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

Um Julian Alphilippe with the they were out front for the longest time, and um at one point Lulu just wasn't able to hang with him and and finally gave it up and and rolled back to the Peloton.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Yeah, and we got we got some some some nice moments uh after the finish line with uh both Ben Healy, who gave him a massive hug, and you could just tell how totally happy for him he was. And uh then Lulu came up and and uh Valgrin was was somewhat like apologetic to to to Julian Alaphilip for leaving him behind for dropping him. And and Alaphilib was like, nah man, you you had the legs, bro. Enjoy enjoy this moment. You you you you done earned it.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

So Lulu was speaking of small teams, Lulu was animating a lot this week. So, you know, he's gonna be in the mix come this weekend, so we'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Yeah, absolutely. That would be great.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

Um, the other the other team that so and then uh Georg Sta Stein Steinhauser also took home the young riders jersey in that class, you know, the young riders classification.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

Um yeah, he he Steinhauser ended up on one of those days, he ended up as like the lone uh as like this the lone chaser on one of the days where they the there were some big gaps made, and that was the yeah, and then he and then and then to his credit he just kind of hung in there for the rest of the race.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

Yes, he did, and and took second took second place that day, I'm 90% sure. So um the other team that had a lot of success this week is one that we mention a lot on this race or on the show as a team that is really, really good at the game of cycling, as far as points are concerned, and that's Astana. Um XDS Astana had two wins um in Perry Nice. The first one, a very unexpected sprint and win from Max Cantor. Um, that is the f guaranteed the first time that Max Cantor has probably ever been mentioned on the show uh up to this point, but had a had a statement win, and um then Tejada also had a win and a third place, and they hadn't they ended up with nine top tens this week across both races, and this is a team that we've said before really knows how to go out and collect points, and they typically do it in these smaller races, but it's so refreshing to see them win on a in a world tour race. Like I'm all for it.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

Well, I want to call special attention to the Harold Tejada win uh in stage six of uh of uh Toreno. Yes, um, he had a mech at 18.6 kilometers to go. Um, the break is still a minute and 27 ahead, and the chase is like hotting up. The team did an incredibly good job to plan his return to the Peloton here because like that close to the finish, in a situation like this, you could be in in rough shape trying to get back, especially when things are are you know as they are, um you know, a minute and twenty-seven ahead. So the minute he gets the the exactly with the minute he gets he gets the mechanical, Cantor stops with him, and then they very purposefully position additional riders at intervals ahead of them. So they got Nikola Kanchi um next a little further up the road, and then they got Yevgeny Fedorov a little further up the road. And so basically he gets back on his bike, Cantor goes balls to the wall until they get to um Conci, then Conchi goes balls to the wall until they get to Fedorov, and then Federov goes balls to the walls until they get him back into the Peloton, and suddenly he sneaks back in. And uh they're like in battle stations at 10 kilometers ago, they're heading up the final climb. The leaders are still ahead. Um, and uh you you've got like all the all the big boys up there. You got Jonas, you got Kevin Vocal on, Danny Martinez is up there with them, Georg Steinhauser. We were just talking about just behind. There's a couple of sprinters that are still like hanging on. You got Lawrence Piffy and uh Trentine um because there could be a bunch heading into the finish, and the sprinters are gonna be the best, best position in that case. And then who suddenly just teleports out of nowhere and at the front of this group, Harold Tejada. The team has gotten him back, said, All right, man, we did we did our job, go do yours. And uh my man like comes around, he ends up on the front, he momentarily sits on, and then 4.6 kilometers ago, he's gone. He's 11 minutes ahead of Jonas. I mean, 11 is back of Jonas. So Jonas has got nothing to worry about. He doesn't need to put in a work and uh Tehata manages to hang on. It's his second, it's his second ever win, and his second win for Astana in the race. Like that's great. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Yeah, great, great work from that team. Super, super, but super good work.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

Um It's interesting how how uh the and you know they they didn't do their quite their usual thing where they're putting like multiple guys in top tens of of these races. Yes, they had some top tens here and there over the two races, but they balanced that out with getting two wins. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 32:03

And trust me, I'm sure that they love the top tens, but wins, you know, the sponsors love wins, you know, absolutely. Absolutely. Guys paying the bills like to see them on the podium. So, you know, big and great job for them.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Um Tehata also moved himself into the top ten in that stage.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

Um other other small teams doing things. Um, I wouldn't necessarily say they are a small team, but Alpisson does not have obviously have the biggest budget, is uh as big a budget as some of these other teams, and they were able to pull out two wins with Matthew Vanderpool. Um but Continental team Polte Visit Malta goes away with a jersey. All right. Diego Sevilla, who spent days in the breakaway, all right, comes out with the King of the Mountains jersey for Torreno Adriatica, the only jersey that uh Isak Del Toro did not win. So, you know, wonderful work on on their part, huge for that team. You know what I mean? That is a giant result for that team, yeah um in a big race, in a big world tour race. So, you know, that bodes very well for them here in the future, and he's definitely a guy that we're gonna keep our eye on. Um then last day of Perry Nice, Bahrain Victorious's own, the other GC Mart, one of the other GC Martinez is Lenny Martinez, um, went head-to-head with Jonas and and you know ended up taking the win.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

Yeah. Lenny, that guy's good. That guy's good. He's very um good. Yeah, really cool, really cool seeing seeing all those wins spread out across some of those teams because the rest of it was all super teams.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

It was Ineos, it was UAE, it was Vismoleza Bike, it was well, and then in the in the other race this week, it was another big team win. In the in the weather truncated Trofea Benda for the ladies, uh Carlin Swinkles for UAE was able to uh from a breakaway group with Anna Vanda Bragan and and Mia Odestad. Um she was able to take take the win there as well. So, you know, the big teams won won the races for sure.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

It's it's funny how that team has sort of sort of quietly become like the dominant team on the women's side, and it's just like, oh yeah, it's UAE, right? Got it. Yeah, it is. I mean, one of my top riders is on that team, so you know, I have a rooting interest, but like here we go again with the with the sports washing, you know.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

Um I will say there was a really sweet moment um with your one of your top riders. Um before the race at at for Tref or uh for Alfred Abenda, um ELB was like kind of like going to go up on stage for the team presentation, and her husband, Jacopo Mosca, was at the fence, like right by the steps to go up on the stage, all kitted out in his little trek gear, and gave a little kiss to his wife as she ran up on stage. It was really sweet.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

I absolutely love it. They're they're cute.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

So um, but yeah, man, it was uh it was it was a great week of racing. It was nice to have like full on stage racing and and multiple stage races going on at the same time. So it was it was a a fun week to uh to um to see what was going on. Milan had his rocket ship launch off of the on the last day of the of of uh of uh Torreno Adriatico, where sadly off of an incredible leado from Edward Toons. Well, and sadly in that at the end of that race, there was a wreck and it took out Manye and Phillips, and so there was nothing nothing doing, you know, there as far as that sprint.

SPEAKER_01 36:11

I also believe that Isaac Del Toro went down in that in that same at that same exact spot when that was happening. I watched that video multiple times and he was in the blue jersey, so he was he's wearing all blue um and very visible, and he appears to be on the far left of the group going through the curve. He's headed directly towards a gendarme who's like signaling, you know, go left, go left, one of those people. Um you you can see very clearly at the very beginning of the shot his two teammates that were ahead of him. He had like Jan Christian and somebody else with him. Um, and you see them go through that turn, and I think he just sort of got in the direct line of that gendarme, and then I think his tire hit one of the white, the painted white stripes on the road, and he just slipped out, and I think it was like a no-big deal crash. He just popped back up on his bike. He's about to win it the biggest race of his life, uh, about 30 seconds from from then, and and you know, I don't even think he even cared. He's like, oh well, I'm on the deck. Now I'm back on my bike, now I'm gonna go win this race. And also, the the the finish of that race when he rode across the finish line, did you catch that?

SPEAKER_00 37:21

They like they got all together as like a team.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Yeah, right. They they flanked him just like just like it's like you know, processional in the Tour de France. They had they had like three guys on his left, three guys on his right, he's in the middle, he's wearing the all blue, and he's they all stay, they all keep their hands on the bar. He sits up and just kind of you know gives a gives a you know something or some kind of gesture with his hands, you know, because he hadn't won the stage actually, uh, but he was still winning the race, and it was it was a nice moment as well for them.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

So um, speaking of of nice moments, uh G was in the car in Toreno Adriatico, which was kind of neat. Um, and you know, I just have to say, look, you know, we we were focused on the small teams. You know, another big team that was doing a lot this week and did a lot of work was Ineos. Ineos had a lot of success. Yeah. Um broke a record on the time trial with Ghana, won a stage there. Dorian Godun had a one had a crazy week winning a stage and out sprinting, you know, his his competition.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Um Sam Well Sam Wellsford is still unable to win. Unable to win a race in Europe.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

Poor Sam Wellsford. He's got a good attitude about it. Yes, but you know, so there's a team that you know the G effect seems to be uh a thing. So because they're definitely working really, really well, man. That that's a team that is like finding ways to win, even though they're not really particularly competing for the GC. They are finding ways to be involved. And they're, dude, I'm telling you, they're doing a lot of work on the front of those Pelotons, man. A lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. It's it's really strange watching that team with the Grand Tour tradition that they have, and with the, you know, I mean, we we heard Garan Thomas state very clearly uh at some point earlier this year that like the point for him being back is to win grand tours. He's like, no, the we're a grand tour team, like that is the focus for this team. And yet they you know, they don't really have that guy. I mean, they got they have Rodriguez, he's been spotty. They have Tyman Ahronsman, he he had a crappy week. They have Egan Bernal, is he viable, you know, like they they don't really have that guy.

SPEAKER_00 39:39

Oh, Vocalon, right?

SPEAKER_01 39:40

And then and then they got Kevin Vocalon again. Like they have some they have some some talent that could be emergent, um, and some talent that's just gonna always be questionable.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

Um I just think that they need to be able to do that. They're finding ways to get things done. They need to build around the the nucleus and figure out what they got there. But hey, look, man, they got wins this week. Nobody can say that it was that it was a bad week for them by any stretch. You know, did they not win the top prizes? No, but they were in the mix a lot.

SPEAKER_01 40:11

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

So on that note, we'll be back to talk fantasy cycling and take a rain-soaked ride in the broom wagon. Stay with us. We are gonna jump into an update on our in-house fantasy cycling game, um, which was pretty crazy to say the least. Um as you know, these races uh, you know, uh end a different time, so we're I'm I'm kind of updating things as we go along. And it was very interesting going into the uh last day yesterday of of Perry Nice. I was down by more than a hundred points, I believe, at that point. And it had been just a a completely wild week of Matt picking up, you know, stage wins with Matthew Vanderpool, and then me picking up stage wins with Jonas Vingigo, and it was back and it was this back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

SPEAKER_01 41:33

Wait, I think you're you're you're kind of putting the cart before the horse a little bit though, because like going into it, like it was a tantalizing week from the outset because we both had the favorite GC rider going into the week. Correct. We we both had uh very strong stage win guys as well, me with Vanderpol, uh and you with just Sprinter's Galore, like you had Jonathan Milan.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

No, you had Milan, I had I had Monnier. Yeah, I also had Ayuso as well as Vingigo.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

Right. So you had a GC and a backup GC, so you were a little bit more stacked. Um, now as we have talked about, you know, Ayuso went out when the GC action started, so he wouldn't, you know, not only did he not contest the the the overall win in that race, but he didn't even get a chance to maybe get a stage win without getting the overall win. You know what I mean? True death. Interesting. So you got a little production out of him. Um, but nonetheless, it was a tantalizing week in terms of us both having guys in there that could that could make things happen. And that's exactly what happened. Like our guys came up big.

unknown 42:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Like big time. So like any other week, either one of us would have would have crushed the competition, it seems like. And like just just somehow this week was just mirror it, like it was wild.

SPEAKER_00 43:01

It's a literal mirror image. So we both ended with three stage wins. You had two with Vanderpol and one with Del Turo. Um, I ended with two with Vingigo, one with Milan. All right, because because Johnny Milan won the final sprint in a just complete rotten slip of a of a of a sprint. Good lord. Who was this leado that day? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

I know I have it in my notes, but that was an absolutely incredible leadout that he got.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

We both picked up two second place victories. All right. So um your two second places were with uh uh Isak Del Toro, because he had a tremendous week where he had a stage win and two second places. And then uh I also ended up with two second places, one with Juan Ayuso in the team time. Trial and I can't remember what the other one was.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

Um and and Ed Toons was his leado guy on that thing and was outstanding work from that guy. I mean, they were back in tenth, and all of a sudden it was just like a bullet.

SPEAKER_00 44:15

Um, and then it so so at that point, you know, before you get to, you know, so just based on the stages themselves, we had we we were in a dead tie. And then so you figure, you know, the the jerseys are going to be the the thing that that separates us. Except for your GC guy came out with three jerseys, my GC guy came out with three jerseys. Mine was a little more dramatic because he had to kind of make some, you know, Jonas had to make some moves on the last day and and make that final stage much more interesting.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

Um and it should be noted that Jonas got three out of three jerseys that he was eligible for while uh you but while uh Del Toro only got three out of four.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

That he was eligible for. So the Del Toro did not get King of the Mountains, like we said earlier, that went to uh Pulti Visit Malta Rider Sevilla. So uh but he did win the GC and the points and the young riders classification. So he walks away with three jerseys. Jonas won the GC, the K O N, and the points jerseys at Perry Nice and comprehensive with three jerseys. So those are 75 points each. We both had 101 point weeks, identical weeks. How crazy is that?

SPEAKER_01 45:41

It's mind-blowing. It's absolutely mind-blowing.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Well, um, the uh standings now stand at uh Matt, you are leaving at 266, and I am trailing at 235.

SPEAKER_02 45:55

And they're 31 points behind.

SPEAKER_00 45:57

We have a plethora of uh people going this weekend um for MSR. So I think there's you know, there's there's a lot of riders that are gonna be in the mix.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

It just loads so well.

SPEAKER_00 46:12

But you have Pagatar, so we'll see what happens. Although I I keep, you know, the big thing I keep hearing is like, you know, it's it's Vanderpol's, you also have Vanderpol, but it's Vanderpol's race to lose. He looked so good this week that I don't see him. I mean, when it's time, you know what I mean? You got 200.

SPEAKER_01 46:32

He doesn't make mistakes, he doesn't crash, and his power output is ridiculous. Um stop talking uh and let's go to our next segment before you start stepping all over my broomwagon.

SPEAKER_00 46:44

Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. All right. Um what do you have for the broomwagon there, sir?

SPEAKER_01 46:52

Uh I'm talking about Tade Pagachar. Um so in reviewing some data from the big race two weekends ago, uh Strata Bianchi, um, we see that Pagachar put out an average of 380 watts over the last 80 kilometers. Um now, if you can contrast this with the 340-watts average he had over the same finishing kilometers in the previous two editions, which he won, um he needed 10% more power this year to maintain the gap. And yet his margin of victory this year was smaller, which sort of means that the competition is getting better. So if you consider the strategizing for UAE, however, what you realize is that his power enables the rest of the team to ride an effectively shorter race than everyone else does. Um basically the team's race ended at 120 kilometers at the top of the Monte Santa Maria. This means that they can more easily go full gas for basically the entire first 120 kilometers, making it insanely hard on all of the other teams, as Tom Pitcock was alluding to in his very distraught post-race interview, which I don't know if you heard or not, but um, you know, he he was really just like befuddled. I mean, yeah, he had some he had some some mechanical issues and stuff, but he was just like, how what are you supposed to do when it's that fast from the gun? Um, so how does all this shake out for MSR? Is there a way that this formula can be applied to Poggy's most frustrating puzzle, the monument race, which the cycling world agrees will be the Slovenian superstar's most difficult nut to crack? Well, as always, the route is one of the longest of the year, coming in an astounding 298.2 kilometers. Um, that's a little over 185 miles, by the way. The summit of the first real climb of the race comes at 148.4 kilometer mark, the Paso del Torchino. It's followed by a long 12-kilometer downhill and then 60 essentially flat kilometers before reaching the first of the Trey Copy climbs, which then lead on to the set piece finish of the Chopresa and the Pojo. Is there a possibility that the team could go TTT at the highest level they possibly can for 145 kilometers, delivering Poggy to the start of the steepest part of the Torchino? And that he can then go as hard as he's ever gone to get clear of his rivals over the top, and then stay away for a full 150 kilometer solo and somehow reach the Chipressa with a lead? Let's drill down on the top part of the Torchino. Roughly two kilometers before the summit, the road pitches up to around 6% and then hovers there for about a kilometer and a half, and it's only in the final 500 meters of the climb that it goes up to about 8.5%. Is that steep enough and long enough to make a difference? Can the team make it so hard for 145 kilometers that Pog's arrivals will be feeling it enough to lose his wheel on such a comparatively short and not too steep climb? Because if they can't, the Trey Cappy doesn't start until kilometer 248. And I don't think the team can effectively TTT at full gas for that long, let alone to the foot of the Chipresa, which is at 200 mile kilometer 271. This is honestly one of the biggest and best questions in all of pro cycling, and most certainly the most interesting thing about Tate Pagachar as far as actually racing bikes is concerned. MSR is just four short days away, and I, for one, cannot wait. What do you got? Dude, that's like or or would you like to react to that?

SPEAKER_00 50:30

I would like to react. Um it makes me wonder okay, is that the method? Or do they try to take him, do they try to just keep everything together for as long as they can so that he can then do the the same thing but later in the race? I don't see like look, he's amazing. I don't know if he can't 150 by himself, like but but can the team can put it a team do 271 kilometers? But would they get him okay, but would they have to really team time trial for 270 kilometers? Would they have to make the race that hard? Or could they get to like 150, get over that climb, and and and and start to press at that point to try to, you know, essentially I mean the only thing that I could see them doing is like some sort of button like six-man breakaway where they you know where they just try to ba where they try to bury everybody and and just keep everybody off their wheel to get him separation after that point. Like I just how they do it prior to that point, prior to that climb, I just I it just seems so far away. But he's but he's also a he's also a completely different machine from everybody else. Because what you just told us is that he's getting stronger. He's not getting it's like it's not he's not getting a strong.

SPEAKER_01 51:59

Well no, this time it took him it took him more power. It took him more power to maintain a smaller gap.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

Yes, but his power output is getting bigger.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:10

His threshold is getting higher. Well, he remains now. It also you were you see, but you're right. So you said that the competition is getting better, so that's part of it. Okay. He needed more power to be able to do the same thing because the comp you know who he was competing with was more on his level. But that just means that he just didn't he hasn't ever put it into full gear yet. And we don't even know if that was the full gear. That's just what it's just meant to be.

SPEAKER_01 52:42

He does win a lot of these races like with ease.

SPEAKER_00 52:45

I know. That's what I'm saying. Like, we don't see him get pushed to the edge very often.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

He's just got an absolutely incredible team, although I don't know what McNulty's status is. He crashed right before Iuso did in that race. Um, and I think he may have got it a little worse than Iuso, so he might not be around as part of that, as part of that engine room for uh for MSR. It remains the best question in cycling. That is that is to be sure.

SPEAKER_00 53:09

He still got second last year, right? Or was he third?

SPEAKER_01 53:13

Well, that's the other thing. You know, can could uh is it being completely overthunk? Does he just hang in there the way he has every time and just hope for a different outcome? Because, you know, on his day, maybe something happens, uh, you know, or or does he does he go, does he go all Matty Mahoric on the on the downhill uh of the podio at the very end of the race and just try to try to do it that way? I mean, he ain't a better bike handler than Matthew Vanderpol. See, that's the trouble, is all of Vanderpol's strengths lie in the stuff that you need to do at the very end of this race. Sprint and downhill. You know, he is he is the better of Tade Pagacar in those two disciplines, you know, even though it can we can very easily argue that Pagacar is higher on the all-time list. You know what I mean? He's a more comprehensive rider that can win in any number of formats. But in this one particular thing, it is just you know, and Vanderpol's gonna keep showing up year after year after year. So it's what it does though, you know, we've long said that like the last 10 minutes of of uh Milan San Ramo are the 10 best minutes of the year in cycling. Um this conundrum is now making it the best six hours of of cycling. You know what I mean? Like it's a long race.

SPEAKER_00 54:31

Do you think that that it's the same three from last year, this year? Do you think because I look because both Vanderpal and Ghana look really, really good right now.

SPEAKER_02 54:40

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:41

Because Ghana, you realize that Ghana set a record in training on Adriatico, right? Okay. So not only did he crush the time trial, he set a record for the race for the fastest the race for the fastest, like you know, kilometers per hour, as well as you know, the record on the time trial. So, you know, his form looks really, really good. He was doing massive turns in that race, all the way deep into it. And then Vanderpool basically used the last stage yesterday as just a just a like a uh you know 125 kilometer training run. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Before he finally was like, okay, I've done enough for today and backed off. But you know, he was he was leading that race, he was leading that stage for you know two hours yesterday. So um they they're all they're all on amazing form right now. So it'll it should be very, very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

Oh, it's gonna be fantastic. The bad news for me, I'm I'm I'm announcing a swim meet all weekend long next weekend. So I will not be watching it live. I will be catching it in replay. So just don't even text me at all on Saturday.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

Saturday is the race on Saturday or Sunday? Saturday. I'm pretty sure it's Saturday. I think they're all all those. Yeah, it's Saturday.

SPEAKER_01 56:10

Yeah. Well, the bigger the bigger race is on Sunday, the the the Gralt Prix, Jean-Pierre Montserrat.

SPEAKER_00 56:17

All right. I have so I have I have two little things that I want to say, and then I'll get into to my actual broomwagon. Um there is there was two things that I caught this week that I was like, damn, those are really cool. Have you seen the little Trek team car? Uh yeah. That team car the best team car in sports or in in cycling, period. That car is cool as hell looking. All right. It is so on the nose with how their their uniform looks. Chef's kiss. Um I put a picture in my notes if you're if you want to see it. Um and then uh Arthur Cluckers, who is the great champion of yeah, super, supername. We gotta start a fire. Champion of Leck Luxembourg. I love his champion's kit. It almost looks like.

SPEAKER_01 57:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I kept wondering about that kit. So yeah, that's the Luxembourg. Yeah, I remember uh the Luxembourg kit. I remember when uh who was the who was the guy that had it before him, anyways. Yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_00 57:35

And then, you know, because and then Dori because it looks very similar to the one that Dorian Godon has for uh for France, but it's it's just slightly different. And my boy boy do I like it. All right. Um my broomwagon item for this.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

If if we're if we're tacking in like extra stuff that you we noticed from this week, I got one of those as well.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

Sure, sure, sure.

SPEAKER_01 57:57

Um stage seven of of uh what was the one that Milan was in? Was that Perinice or was that Torino? Oh, it was Torreno, okay. Um at the 107 kilometer to go mark of stage seven of Toreno Adriatico this past Sunday, um they go through a uh a little town called Montefiore D'Asso, right? And it is absolutely stunning. And I want to point out the camera work in this race in particular from the helicopter. I don't know. It would be interesting to compare like specific kinds of camera work, and especially like helicopter camera work, because I think I think there's probably a whole world that we don't know about where you've got like camera slash uh pilot teams duos who work really well together, who know how to like compose shots really, really well, because the shots that that came in the it's they're so good at it that you don't even notice it unless you're really looking at it or something something triggers you. But I'm noticing this town. So it's one of these classic Italian towns, it's like perched up on a hilltop, and it just looks so incredibly cool. This it's a medieval village. Um, it's got six towers, and it's got many of the original fortification walls. The lower slopes, like outside of town, are like covered in orchards and vineyards. I mean, it just looks so perfect. And the the shot that they give you, all right. So the the Peloton is coming into town and they're like going through the vineyards, right? And you've got the helicopter sitting off to the side, and it's it's zoomed in on the riders, right? So you see them going past these trees and stuff, and then slowly as they enter the town, it zooms out, and you just get this shot of like the whole town. And now the Peloton, it's gone in there someplace, it's somewhere inside the town where you can't see, and the helicopter kind of moves around to the edge to the far end of the town. And just as it moves around, boom, you catch the Peloton again, and it comes back in and it locks on. And they cut away for a second, they give you a front-on shot from like a camera bike or whatever, and then boom, it's back to the helicopter just in time. You see the the helicopter has now maneuvered itself over the town, and the riders are about to exit, and it picks them up as they're sort of they're sort of making the bend past the last few buildings. It picks them up and then it and then it kind of zooms across the top of the building. So you're seeing like the the buildings going past underneath, but you still got your eye on the Peloton out in front, and then boom, they're out the back door of the town, and the helicopter kind of follows them out, gets off to the side, and just gives you these, just like it's just so poetic the way the thing is just snaking down these curves coming out of the town. And it's just like as you said, chef's kiss. The camera work was just incredible, and they hit another town. There was one final climb with another town just like that called the it was called uh the the Repah, the Repa Transone. Um, and there's a bunch of bunch of really, really good work there as well. So just wanted to uh shout that out. Please carry on.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:13

There was there was a lot of good camera work this week, especially in the Italian race. Um so my broomwagon item is just a small video that we'll link in the description that GCN Tech did uh a few months ago. That that would the the title of the video is Motor Doping is Possible. We've done it. It is an extremely interesting video where they get these two college guys to build a motorized a motor assist uh bike inside of like a probike. Like they give them the bike and they give them the materials and they they end up building a electromagnetic motor in this bike. It's it's terribly interesting. Like in the magic wheel. Yeah, it's like the magic wheel situation, yes. But it totally works, and then they test it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:14

And it is it it looks like they give you some background too. That how they show you how the UCI does the testing, they show you the uh the um like hub motors versus electromagnetic, you know, the different technologies that one might choose, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:28

It's very, very interesting. That's why I think it's like it's if you if you're interested, like obviously, you know, doping is a big part of cycling. It's it's you know, it is the the 900-pound elephant that's in the room all the time. And this is the new, kind of the new as technology gets better and better and smaller and smaller, these are the things that that that come up. You know, these are the things that that come into play. There have there have been cases where you know people motors have been found in professional cycling. And so it's very interesting to see them, you know, uh hypothesize this uh this uh possibility and then show it. And then again, it's very clunky, it would easily get get caught you know based on the on the testing, but the technology is there and it does make a difference. So very interesting if you're interested in that type of stuff or you just want to go a little bit deeper on on the technology of what what is possible to be done, you know, with these types of situations. I highly recommend you take a look at it. Really, really fun video.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

I uh I did notice uh on at least one occasion um this past week while watching pre-race stuff like them very clearly clearly showing the guy with the iPad, you know, going over the bike. And you know, I think they've got the sensor now. It's like it's like built into the iPad or whatever the tablet is that they're using. Like the sensor is is inside of it somehow because they're just holding it up and waving it over the the different parts of the bike. But you know, it's it's it's a shame. We spent a lot of time in the first first like six months of this podcast talking a lot about how just insanely annoying it is that you know people here, you know, the vast majority of the general public, the moment you mention cycling, it's just like doping, Armstrong, doping, cheating. Like it's so annoying. Um, and yet there's a reason why it happens, and it's a real shame that this is still a thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:36

I I you know, I hope I because you have you have 300 kilometer races.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:43

Yeah. Yeah, it's wild.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:46

All right. That's all for this week. Join us next week for full coverage of the year's first official monument race, Milan Sanremo. Until then, for my brother Matt, I'm Justin Harper. Thanks for listening. We hope you'll join us again soon for another ride Beyond the Slipstream. Alex.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:21

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